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My thoughts on the Spoony and That Guy With the Glasses fallout

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:29:46 GMT

Ok, so recently Noah Antwiler a.k.a. Spoony and That Guy with the Glasses parted ways. When I saw it on the TGWTG website, I honestly thought it was just a case of two parties parting ways in a neutral manner and moving on to other things. No harm. No foul. They're still a family. Of course it didn't take long for me to find out other wise. In what apparently people like to call the "Spoony Breakdown" he got into it with Obscurus Lupa and from there, all hell broke loose. If I'm correct and from what I've read, these are the bullet points for the issue because people keep bring it up:

1. He made a rape joke towards fellow reviewer, JesuOtaku, for which he has apologized.

2. A month later, Lupa confronts him publicly about the incident.

3. Things blow up. He gets into a twitter war with fellow reviewers and even some fans.

4. He lashed out at some people who claimed to be trying to help him and some stood up for him.

5. Before all of this, he had a girlfriend named Scarlett in which things ended between them. It doesn't take a genius to know that he had a rough go of it following. Just look at his vlog reviewing Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 1. It's that obvious.

I'm going to start with number 1. So people are pissed at Spoony for making a rape joke. They're calling him vile, disgusting, etc because of a rape joke. Umm yea here's the thing, if you're pissed at him for making the joke..you're a goddamn hypocrite. When you watch the videos from TGWTG, plenty of reviewers make what you would call "distasteful" jokes. That includes rape. I admit, dark humor is not for everyone and I've seen some of her videos and have not seen her go that route. Maybe she's into dark humor, maybe she isn't. I don't know her as a person. I don't know Spoony as a person..which let's be honest, most of us fans do not know any of the reviewers as a person so who the fuck are we to be judging to begin with? Still, as far as I understood, he apologized. Was all forgiven? I'm not sure. Assuming that a month ago he was still part of TGWTG and that he and Jesu are both in the 4th Anniversary movie, I'd say yes. That's just me though. I don't know what it's like behind the curtain. Now if dark, crude humor is not your thing, that's cool, then that means there are some reviewers you don't watch and may never will. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

Now on to 2. I like Lupa. I watch her videos. But to bring up something that died a month ago and in public? Let's be honest Lupa, that wasn't very professional of you. I take it back, I might be wrong in saying it died a month ago. I don't know how tense things were when it happened nor how long. I don't know when Spoony apologized. Could've been the day before shit went to hell for all I know. It's their business. Thing is, if Lupa wanted to confront him, she should've just done so in a setting away from public eyes. It brings me to number 3. Yes, Spoony was just as unprofessional. To be honest, I'm more on his side in this case because I've been there. Dealing with issues that could've led to a fallout. Finding a way to patch things up, move on, and then some third party decides to throw in their two cents and start shit in the process. That is not cool. There's a time. There's a place. Also let's be real here..I saw Spoony's twitter page and Lupa's. Not that long after Spoony's release from TGWTG, Lupa made a joke about beating her cat with a hose...annnnd no one is giving her shit for that? Abuse is A-Ok, but rape is bad! *Does a cheesy thumbs up* I don't know much about the reactions and responses from the other reviewers. I know Angry Joe defended him. I know Oancitizen didn't attack him, but did try to play peacemaker at some point and even tried to reach out to Spoony. With those, I'm going by what I saw on Spoony's twitter page.

Now Lordkat..if there was anything else people brought up, it's about Lordkat jumping in and apparently telling Spoony he should kill himself, to which he apologizes to fans for the comment but not Spoony.

So.... telling someone to kill themselves and genuinely meaning it as an insult then apologizing to third parties instead of the person it was thrown at directly is A-OK, but making a rape joke towards someone and then apologizing to said person is bad! *Cheesy thumbs up and smile*

If you are ok with that, you are an idiot and a hypocrite. Lordkat threw that at him as an insult. Not a joke. He was serious. Spoony makes a rape joke, but I highly doubt he actually wants to rape Jesu. That would be wrong for obvious reasons and would make him a horrible human being. As for fans and other third parties. Yeaa... here's the thing, no matter what..if some third party starts jumping in and wanting a go at you...expect to get hit. You look for trouble, you get trouble.

Now for 4. There are those who actually tried to reach out to Spoony, sure but there are some who clearly have no idea what it means to help someone. From Spoony's and the pages of others, there are some whose idea of helping is telling him things like "Suck it up," "Get over it," and even telling him that his issues don't matter. For one, to whoever said that, FUCK YOU! Not saying that for Spoony's sake. I'm saying it for my own. So anyone having a hard time and going through things don't matter? Is that what you're saying? Who the fuck are you to declare that? So if you're going through shit, would you want someone to tell you that your problems ain't shit and they should just get over it? Seriously dude, fuck you. Seriously I'm pissed just having read that. I've dealt with depression, suicide attempts (which for that insult, fuck you Lordkat), and have friends who dealt with their own issues. In fact let me ask..are there anyone who hasn't gone through something? I highly doubt it but that doesn't mean their issues aren't anyless important. And yes some can have a sense of humor. Hell there are some comedy routines and jokes parodying the type of issues I been through and I can have a great laugh. See I know the difference between a joke and insult. And granted others do too and still won't like the jokes, but, again certain types of comedy are not for everyone.

As for those who actually were trying to reach out and ended up being lashed out at, yes Spoony's wrong for having done so. I can't defend that and won't bother to. Sometimes you can't reach someone who either doesn't want to be helped or isn't ready for it. As for Spoony himself, he does need to recognize when someone is reaching out to him. For some he has embraced them and others he swatted their hand away. I've been on both ends of the spectrum myself in the past and honestly it might not be the last time I go through something like that again.

Now for 5. The Scarlett breakup. I have no idea how people discover things about the reviewers personal lives like relationships. I don't want to know how. Still key word is, personal. Yes I learned of it because people love to bring these type of things up. I don't know the details. Don't want to know the details. Unless there's gonna be a bio from Spoony himself about it, the details are only between him, Scarlett and whoever is in that particular circle that either shared with. Still some people kept bringing up that he's acting out because he's still depressed about the breakup. So what if he is? Listen, anyone whose been through a break up knows the affects it can have on someone at their worst. I've been there. Others have been. I don't know how much the break up played into it as it was months ago. As far as I know, the issue has little to do with his relationship and deals with things getting heated between two people and it expanding into something huge and involving third parties.

All in all, this is a mess and I gotta be honest, reading the twitter pages has been really uncomfortable. Personally, the issue between Lupa and Spoony should have been private and Spoony should not be the only one blamed for it getting out of hand. Lupa's hands are dirty too and so are the hands of the various third parties who went in and added fuel to the fire. You know who you are. This whole thing is a matter between the TGWTG circle. It doesn't make anyone look good. You got people being hypocrites. Some making jokes about the whole incident yet want to call the people involved assholes. Some exploiting the incident and making their own videos. Really this whole thing is none of our business. Not mine. Not any of the fans. Why am I writing this blog? Well since people decide they want to throw in their 2 cents, I'm just gonna throw in my own.

I'm a fan of Spoony. I'm a fan of JesuOtaku. I'm a fan of Lupa. I'm a fan of TGWTG. No one is perfect. We're all human. We have flaws. I'll continue watching and following them. A lot of us like to pretend we know what they are like in person, but unless we actually met them, the closest we'll get are blogs and twitter. Who the hell are we to judge and be so righteous?

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The Masked Man now has a name!!

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:09:07 GMT

Those who read my entries and enjoy the Green Arrow stuff are curious about the name of the Masked Man I'm sure. Well I finally have the code name. The Red Condor. As for his look? Sadly I have no one to draw for me and I don't own a scanner and I'm not that good, so I'm going to post a series of pics to help you visualize.

Now for starters. In my story, we know Roy Harper is the Red Condor. I mentioned how he looked before, but I thought I'd make it easier.

Now I happen to the like whole coat and fedora hat look. It can make a guy look so badass or menacing. Here, Black Hornet just looks menacing and you can just feel it off the page. That's generally what I wanted to go for with Red Condor. Obviously RC's coat and hat won't be black. They're going to be a light brown.

Now for what's under the suit.

Take that mask off Ultimate Hawkeye, remove the bullseye, and color it red. We have our Mask. Take that mask and with the addition of the hat, it should be enough to completely hide Roy's hair.

Finally, the rest of the suit.

As you can see, I'm going with this incarnation of Roy's Arsenal costume. Plus I happen to like this suit. I'm going to alter it a bit. For one, stitch the mask to it. We know Roy has a cybernetic arm. He's gonna need to hide that fact, so his left arm will be completely covered with a long sleeve and glove. His right arm will be sleeveless, so the short sleeve is gone, but the glove stays. Now at the time of the big reveal, that glove and the mask will be gone.

There's one more thing. His voice. Obviously his voice can and will be recognized, so imagine him using a device that'l make him sound deeper, you know like one of those voice changers someone uses for a phone. His voice changer will be in his mask.

Additionally we need weapons. Twin .45's, later he modifies them to make them similar to that of Prometheus' gauntlets, meaning they can fire various types of projectiles meant to incapacitate other heroes, albeit without serious injury or death in this case. He also has non-lethal bullets. When it comes to taking down criminals, he uses more lethal projectiles and real bullets. Clearly he'll have taken a page out of Prometheus' book and have them connected to a system to know when to use what. He's also a wizard with knives, having various kinds, combat, throwing, push. Lastly he'll wield twin butterfly swords.

So there you have it. The look of the Red Condor. Close your eyes and visualize. Can you see it? Like it? Hate it? Let me know. Anyone want to volunteer to draw it, feel free to submit it in comments.

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Queen Arrow: Hero of Star City

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:08:55 GMT

Here it is, final pitch. Or who knows, if everyone enjoys them so much, I may just have some more in the future. As stated before, this is actually a continuation of the previous one. I'm sure at this point, everyone's seen the cover to the new volume of Green Arrow. The solicit suggests that perhaps someone else has taken over, while J.T. Krul in an interview pretty much stated that it is Ollie. Still, we know DC can pull a Marvel and lie. One thing he did say that intrigued me was that Star City was now like Sherwood Forest with Green Arrow acting as an outlaw protector. So I toyed around with this thought and here it goes.

To start, yes this a new Green Arrow series. It'll be dark, yet have its share light hearted and even wacky moments. Think the Arsenal mini series. That level of wacky. In fact, picture it with the same artwork even.

Well the series opens with two guys (drug dealers) standing on a street corner and a car speeds by. It stops, backs up and that's when we see that it's the Arrow Car, with Green Arrow leaning against the passenger side. It's to note that Green Arrow is now wearing the Smallville version of his suit. His face is clean shaven and the hood covers his head to where you can't see his hair. He's wearing the shades too of course. He stares at the two guys and pulls out a crossbow. Shooting them both, he pins them to the wall and shoots an arrow into the air like a police signal as the car speeds off. It's revealed that the driver is Mia. She looks at Green Arrow dumbfounded as she asks.

Mia: "Did..did you just do a drive-by?"

Green Arrow: "Yes. Yes I did."

Our adventure begin. Right now it's just Mia and Green Arrow. Mia is notably out of costume here. She's still retired and Green Arrow has locked up her suit, feeling that as long as she has given up on it, she won't get it back. He'll hand it back when she wants it again. She acts as his "Kato." For one, on Smallville, I kinda saw Mia as the Kato to GA's Green Hornet. Speaking of Green Hornet, similar to him, with Star City in the condition it's in, often times GA would have to make deals with other outlaws to keep the city safe. So anyway, yes Mia is his driver and watches his back. Though she no longer is in costume, she'll wear plain clothes with the color scheme.

When they get home, Green Arrow removes his hood and takes off his glasses. First thing to notice is the shoulder length red hair. It's Roy Harper! It's also notable that he no longer has a cybernetic arm. Instead he has his real one back, fully regrown (obviously thanks to science). Have no fear. How did he get to this point? All will be revealed.. now.

In a flashback, we see that Dr. Midnight came up with a method to regenerate Roy's arm, but it wasn't tested. Before Dr. Midnight can finish, Roy is already strapped to the chair.

Roy: "Let's go!"

Dr. Midnight: "But..it hasn't been tested. Who knows if it'll even work or not.."

Roy: "Yea, yea. I heard you doc. Let's go."

Dr. Midnight is hesitant but goes through with the procedure. Roy's arm is regenerated, but there are complications. He needs to grow reuse to it as when he tries to use a bow and arrow, he's off. Waaaayyy off. So he goes through rehab as well as retraining himself in everything he knows. Lian of course is happy to see her dad with both arms again. The metal arm was too cold as she'd have often pointed out. Afterwords, it's not long before he's back in action.

As to how he became the new Green Arrow, it was actually his idea. In secret he constructed hiw own GA suit and when revealed, everyone is shocked. Simply put, he believes that with everything everyone's been through, it's time that the old man took less off his plate.

Roy: "Star City needs its champion, but only so much can be done from the inside. You were mayor once. You found a different way to fight for this city and I believe that you still know how. Star City's gonna need you on the outisde for this one. The world would have a Green Arrow on the outside..while Star City has one on the inside."

Ollie: "..I don't know Roy..it's a huge responsibility..especially to take on by yourself. It'll be like sending you off to war. You just got your arm back and Lian. What about her?"

Roy: "I'll leave her with you and Dinah. I trust you Ollie. It's not an easy decision. I thought long and hard about it, but I think that in the end..the reward would be worth it. I'll see you all when I can, but right now.. I need to do this. You always said that I was a hero to that little girl. I'm going to prove it. So don't worry. I got everything covered."

*Roy and Lian embrace and share their good-byes when Mia meets with Ollie and Dinah*

Mia: "I'm staying."

Dinah: "What?"

Mia: "I'm staying with him. You're right Ollie. He can't do this alone. I can keep an eye on him. It's the least I can do after...everything."

Dinah: "It's too dangerous for you Mia. What if something happens? What if Roy's still.."

Mia: "I know. He's not the only one whose done some thinking. I'll be ok you two. Just trust me...please."

Ollie: "...Fine, but you stay in touch. Something happens, you tell us. We'll pull the both of you out. Got it?"

Mia: "Understood."

*Mia rejoins Roy.*

Dinah: "You really think they'll be ok?"

Ollie: "Too early to say. I'm sure as hell nervous about this. I've lived in this city all my life. Good times. Bad times. I've been there. I know the horrors in it. All I can hope is that the two of them are ready. We're gonna have to have faith in them and do our part."

*Scene switches to Roy and Mia*

Roy: "Whoooaa. Aren't you leaving with everyone else?"

Mia: "Nope. I decided to stay. You're going to need someone to watch your back."

Roy: "Or Ollie and Dinah are still worried and feel like they need someone to be their eyes."

Mia: "That too, but either way, you're not getting rid of me."

Roy: "Really... Well, let's go set up your room. Might as well share the place."

A major point of this series is to establish a bond between Roy and Mia. Almost similar to the one he has with Dinah. Think like how Riza Hawkeye is devoted to Roy Mustang. Mia is on her own quest for redemption and Roy wants to prove that he can be a respected hero. They fight side by side, with Roy often training her and helping her improve her skills. They both firstly bond over the fact that they have something in their past that they're not proud of. Something they struggled to atone for ever since. Mia being a prostitute and Roy being a junkie. They don't want to just be looked at as the type that people feel sorry for. They want to rise above it. Also in addition to now having longer hair, he'll regrow the soul patch (What?! I happen to think he looks better with it. So yea, longer hair and a soul patch. Feast on that image ladies!).

As their journey continues, it's not long before the wackiness begins as Ollie wasn't sure if Roy can handle it, in fact, everyone is concerned as this is a huge job to look after the city like this and it's a 24/7 thing. So Roy goes without sleep..and begins to go a little crazy..with funny results.

For one, he'll start acting like he really is Robin Hood. Randomly, he'll speak Old English, especially when making a big speech and whatnot. He also starts building up his own gang of Merrymen. After one particular crazy incident, people look at Mia as she nerviously rubs the back of her head and explains, "He uhh...he hasn't..gotten..much..sleep lately."

Something else he starts doing..well I'll let the following scene speak for itself.

*Mia and Ollie are on the phone.*

Ollie: "He. Did. WHAT?!"

Mia: "He umm..he and his.. Merrymen..robbed..a guy. Apparently he had a lot of money so they took it..and spreaded it among the people. Then they found a second target and did it again. I guess you can say..he's robbing the rich and giving to the poor."

*Flashback sequence shows Roy counting money and spreading it among the people when he spots another rich guy as he points at him*

Roy: "There's another one!! GET 'EM!"

*He and the Merrymen charge into action as the flashback ends. At this point Ollie has the phone on speaker as Donna, Dinah, Lian, Dick, Connor, and Wally are also in the room looking dumbfounded at the situation described.*

Dinah: "Oh dear god.."

Ollie: "You didn't do anything to stop him?"

Mia: "Well it's not like he let me in on his plan Oliver."

Ollie: *sigh* "You know what. Don't tell me anymore and for god's sake, keep him from doing something crazy." *hangs up as he looks at everyone in the room.*

Dinah: "That's it. We're going over and we're getting him out of there."

*Lian looks up at Dinah*

Lian: "Does daddy have to go to the hospital now?"

Dinah: *assuringly* "Good lord, no dear..." *whispers under her breath* Although it is an option at this point."

When the fam and friends come to visit, they realize that the problem is: Roy needs sleep. So they figure, they need to try and help him get some, but it's harder than thought. Everyone's on watch as Roy is on his feet, slowly drifting to sleep, Dinah even prepares a blanket. Bored, Wally is bouncing a ball off the wall when he misses and it heads toward Roy. Instinctively his hands catch the ball as Roy lifts his head, eyes wide. Then he leaps out the window into action, proclaiming "Away!"

*Ollie leans out the window and calls out Roy.*

Ollie: "Roy!! GEEZ! CAN YOU AT LEAST PUT YOUR HOOD ON?! YOUR FACE IS EXPOSED!"

*Once again, everyone is watching dumbfounded in awkward silence when Ollie turns and faces Wally.*

Ollie: "You just had to play with that blasted ball didn't you?!"

So everyone goes after Roy and helps him take out a gang. So second attempt. He's distracted as Lian comes and hugs him. It's a sweet cute moment but it wakes him up as he tickles her and soon leaves out on patrol again.

Third time, Donna walks by and next thing, finds his arm around her waist with Roy pulling her in and he's looking at her with the "bedroom eyes."

Roy: "Well. Hello there. I've hit many a bullseye, but really look forward to my "arrow" hitting your's..."

*Donna actually blushes*

Donna: *playfully* "Oh Roy cut it out.."

*Dinah facepalms and is about to stop it when Ollie tries to stop her.*

Ollie: "Wait. Let it play out."

Dinah: "Ollie!"

Ollie: "What? You mean to say that a little sex won't tire him out?"

*Everyone is quiet. Dinah has Lian's ears covered when Wally finally speaks out.*

Wally: "Well..he has a point."

Donna: "Are you guys seriously discussing this right now?"

Roy is still holding her at this point and nuzzling her neck. She "tries" to resist but is notably not trying. Still, she knows it can't happen at this point and is offended that the guys are considering pimping her for Roy's benefit. He's in his own world right now. Then finally Dinah takes action.

Dinah: "That's it."

*Walking over, she pulls Donna away from Roy and with two fingers drives them in the space between Roy's neck and shoulder. That's enough to shock him awake as his eyes shoot open and he looks at her.*

Roy: "What the?! The hell are you doin Dinah-"

*She does it again.*

Roy: "Hey!"

*Again.*

Roy: "CUT IT OUT!!"

*She does it repeatedly as Roy ends up on the ground and she stops. He tries to lift his held and continue to protest but he can't and quickly he's no longer concious and snoring.*

Ollie: "What in the world did you do?"

Dinah: "The one thing we've been trying to do since we got here."

They finally got Roy to sleep and during such time, Dinah teaches Mia how to do it and how to do a nerve pinch in case this happens again. Cute moment, while Roy is asleep, they move him to a couch and Lian climbs into his lap and wraps her arms around him and falls alseep, to which Dinah covers them with a blanket.

The next day, they figure that everything is in hand as they leave. Roy and Donna get a moment to themselves and discuss their relationship, deciding not to make it official just yet, but to take it slow, but she does give him a kiss before heading off. Roy also takes the time to thank Dinah for stepping in and taking charge. Roy and Lian say good-bye, in which Roy promises they'll see each other again. Speaking of Dinah, after the family leaves, Roy and Mia are talking when she asks him, "Did you two...?"

*Roy looks shocked*

Mia: "I'm sorry, it's just that... you're so close. It's just.. I don't know..weird I guess."

*Roy laughs*

Roy: "That's a question I haven't heard in a while. No one's ever had to ask because they didn't need to.. but no. Simply platonic, she has looked out for me more than anyone I know."

*A flashback sequence begins as we witness everyone asking Roy that same question. Donna, Dick, Garth, Wally, Hal and even Cheshire, who responds*

Cheshire: "Well..that's a shocker."

*One scene begins as it reveals Roy taking Connor to a strip club.*

Roy: "..Are you gay?"

Connor: "Are you sleeping with Dinah?"

Roy: "...."

Connor: *smirks* "Didn't think so."

*Another one reveals an awkward situation with The Ray, whose had a crush on Dinah. Asks Roy the same question and when Roy responds, he doesn't let up.*

The Ray: "Really? I'm not buying it. She's..she's so hot! The total package! I mean seriously how'd she end up with someone like Green Arrow? If I was in your position? Dude..the things I'd do to h-"

SLAP!

*Roy slapped him. So the two stand there in awkward silence until Ray walks away. Another flashback reveals the most awkard of all. Ollie takes Roy off to the side.*

Ollie: "Listen.. I know we've had our own ups and downs and Dinah's taken care of you but... I gotta ask..did at any point--maybe it was spontaneous, maybe it was a way to get back at me, I don't want to know the reason but have you two ever had sex?"

Roy: "Wow..you're the only person who'll be so blunt about it. No."

So there's that. lol Personally, part of me believes that something might've happened at one point or another. As the adventure continues, Mia's ex, Dodger returns and quickly gets under Roy's skin when he calls him a Robin Hood wanna be..to which at first Roy let's it go, but he goes on..and ends up getting his ass kicked. Still, they manage to form a partnership with Dodger gathering up his own crew of outlaws to help Roy in his fight. We'll also find out that Mia is developing feelings for Roy.

Rogues. They'll consist of Brick, corrupt officials, gangs, The Hang Men, Brotherhood of Evil, Merilyn, Constantine Draken, Vandal Savage, Deathstroke and the Dark Titans, even Ra's al Ghul tries to take the city for himself. So Roy has a lot to deal with. New villains would include a new Electrocutioner, son of the original, and a new Razor, brother to the original. Also there's the return of the original Prometheus. Curt Calhoun, last believed to have perished at "The House." They become a team, each wanting respect. Electrocutioner and Razor want revenge as well as wanting to become big time criminals. Prometheus wants to make a real name for himself. The other Prometheus got all the glory as one of the biggest villains to the heroes. He figures, it's time for him to step his game up and prove that he can be just as big a threat.

Arcs. One involves Mia struggling with her feelings and realizes that before she can do anything, her and Roy need to discuss somethings. So she pulls him off to the side and asks.

Mia: "Roy. With everything that's been going on, we never really had time to.. talk. There's something I need to know. If you never found Lian..if she really was... Would you have forgiven me? Would you still want to hurt me?.."

Roy: "....I... I can't honestly answer that Mia. If things were different, who knows what would've been. I wish I had a clearer answer.."

Mia: "I see..."

They sit in silence until Mia leaves and finds Dodger. The two hang out, even conflicting about if it's a date or not when all of a sudden they're attacked and Mia is kidnapped. Though injured, Dodger manages to reach Roy and tells him what happened. Also it would turn out that among the kidnappers was Roy's ex boyfriend and former pimp, Rick!

Roy is pissed! Around the same time, Dinah decides to visit, so she helps. They find out that Rick didn't stop his activities and after what happened to Star City, he became mixed up in a slave ring. Kidnapping women all around Star City and selling them to the highest bidder. Obviously Rick himself isn't smart enough to pull this off, so he's working for someone. This is a big story as it brings up memories for Dinah in connection to the Longbow Hunters. Dinah reveals to Roy the day she was captured and tortured until Ollie saved her. Still, the damage was done. She was unable to have children and couldn't use her Canary Cry for a long time. Even though she's healed from it, she at times still finds herself haunted and fears the fate of Mia. This arc would also compare the relationship Roy has with Dinah with that of his relationship with Mia, with him realizing how important Mia is to him. It's a race against the clock. They manage to find Mia and fortunately, nothing happened to her, although Rick did intend to do some vile things to her. They all decide to take down this ring to which Mia finds Rick and gives him the beating that he had coming.

After we find out that he was working for Brick, who in his twisted way was making the money for the city, even going so far as to accuse Roy of trying to hold the city back from reaching it's former glory. Roy clearly isn't pleased which leads to a fight. Though victorious, Roy can't take him in and thus promises that if this happens again, if he continues his operation, Roy would see to it that he never sees the light of day.

Another arc involves Roy vs. a Lynch Mob as a man is accused of doing something vile to a child. At first Roy ignores it and thinks the man is getting what he deserves when he finds out..the man is innocent..now to convince the people that he is and find the real villain.

Also a new character. Among Roy's Merrymen is Little John. Yes. Little John. He'll grow to become a prominent character and have his share of badass moments.

Another arc involves a new villain who'll be the polar opposite of Green Arrow, the Dark Gunman. Expect some big time action with these two as the Gunman is hired by the corrupt police cheif to take out Green Arrow. Also, Robing Hood needs a Sheriff to face off with right? Have no fear, there will an appointed Sheriff, who is a man of honor, but will clash often with Roy and crew. That'll eventually come to an end when he's found dead with an arrow in his chest. This will open an arc called "I Shot the Sheriff." The Deputy takes over and is on a manhunt against Green Arrow. Eventually it'll be discovered that the Deputy was the one who killed him so he can be the new Sheriff, thus creating another deadly enemy for Roy to deal with.

Eventually Roy would find a price on his head. Assassin's and hitmen of various types after him. Turns out it's a game by Roulette. Whoever kills Green Arrow, gets Star City. So this will become a Gauntler style mega arc, pitting Roy against the likes of random gangs, desperate people, Constantine Drakon, The Hangmen, Onomatopeia, Vandal Savage, The Secret Six, Deathstroke, Dark Titans, Cheshire, Merilyn, Dark Gunman, The new Sheriff, Brick, and of course, The new trio of Electrocutinor, Razor, and Prometheus. It's the ultimate battle for Star City.

During the conflict with the trio, around the time Lian and Dawn are visiting, to which te trio kidnap all the children in the area as they heard rumor that the death of a child was what set off one of the Arrows. This same "Arrow member" also being the one responsible for killing those that precedded them. They don't know that it was Roy in particular but he's still not pleased.

Roy: "You guys sure are stupid... When Star City was attacked.. I thought I lost someone I loved..when I did.. I became a very different man. I wanted payback and no one would dare get in my way. The fact that you are trying to put someone I love in danger again..very stupid. It will be your downfall as I will kill you..and won't even feel bad about it..just ask the men who once had claim to your names before.."

They hesitate at hearing his words and realize that maybe it's not a smart idea after all. It leads to a fight in which they're defeated and Roy manages to save all the children. Once again the Trio is at a lost on how to become big time and suffered another embarassing defeat. With Dawn in the picture, once again it'll establish her as a possible love interest. There will be a fun issue in which Roy's true love is finally revealed and that would be the one you can expect him to have a future with. The tagline of this being "Robin Hood needs his Maid Marian. Candidates: Is it Donna? Dawn? Mia? Kendra? Cheshire? Dinah even? (Just imagine how awkward that'll be) A new character entirely? You decide. As for Cheshire, I did toy around with the idea that if it's her, it'll pretty much mean her having finally coming to her senses and giving the straight way a try, but trust me, it'll be hard as old habits..tend to come into play at times. Anyway, you decide people.

A fun little arc I came up with is called "Harper Family Reunion." We'll see Roy with the intended love interest along with Lian. Whose coming? Jim Harper. Jamie. Scandal. Babette. Vandal Savage. Not to mention other as of yet unseen Harper family members. Another mega arc, this will come in a set of 3. Each being a team-up or showdown with Roy and the intended family member. Jamie will be here as she'll be assigned to Star City to help it out. That and it'll turn out that Ollie found out about her and pulled some strings. Her and Roy would meet for the first time as they'll solvea case together. Roy meets Scandal and the two fight before actually bonding. We'll witness the reunion between Roy and Babette from the mini. That's all I can say. It'll reach a climax as everyone teams up against Vandal and his crew. Also this arc will go into the past, present, and even future of the Harper Family as it showcases the role of the Harpers in the DCU.

Finally, things begin to come to a head. With Ollie doing his part on the outside, more food and money is coming into Star City, along with donations from Ollie himself as well as Bruce Wayne. It's far from being in the clear though. Final arc. The Trio returns. They decided what they want to do. Destroy what's left of Star City. They somehow managed to get their hands on Prometheus' old helmet to which Curt takes it for himself, so expect a new look for him as he proclaims himself the one, true Prometheus. With the helmet they discover all the plans the other Pro had and find out how to recreate the bomb he used in the first place. We'll see the villains finally step their game up but Roy is there to stop them and he'll be joined by a returning Ollie and Connor. 3 Green Arrows. In fact, 2 Green Arrows and one Red Arrow.

That's right. Roy is back to being Red Arrow. His suit will be different. Think Smallville GA suit but red. Instead of glasses, he wears a mask with special lenses. Red arm band on his right arm while the left remains bandless as to show off his Navajo tat and gloves similar to what he wore as Arsenal Pre-Outsiders. Add red combat boots (again similar to Arsenal pre-Outsiders) to complete the outfit. They're joined by Dinah, and Mia..whose back in her Speedy costume and side by side with Roy. Add the inclusion of our love interest and the gang's all here. It's a showdown of epic proportions. It goes in the favor of Team Arrow as they bring the Trio end. Star City is on it's way to it's former glory, so we're treated to a final scene.

Ollie: "I can't fucking believe it. We actually saved this city. So what now?"

Roy: "We keep doing it. Even with things going back to normal..they'll still need us."

Ollie: "Damn straight. What about you? You go through more name changes than a schizo. No shame in 3 Green Arrows protecting the city. All the things you've done here..the credit will be associated to Green Arrow, so why not?"

Roy: "It's a decent offer but I don't know. We never did do this for the glory did we?"

Ollie: "You got that right."

Roy: "Besides, part of the reason I did this is because.. I needed to prove it to myself. Give my daughter a reason to look up to me."

*Roy picks Lian up into his arms as she embraces him*

Ollie: "You ask me.. I don't think it'll take much effort for that to happen."

*Mia approaches*

Mia: "So does this mean.. I'll no longer be your partner?.."

Roy: "Who said anything about that? I'm pretty sure the old man is willing to share."

Ollie: "Old? Hey I still got lots of good years left in me."

*Roy hands Lian off to Mia in a final show of trust and appreciation. All Mia can do is smile, satisfied with the outcome. Roy puts an arm around her as the three walk off.*

Roy: "Now..WHO WANTS ICE CREAM?!"

Lian: "ME!"

Ollie: "ROY!"

*Roy stops and turns*

Ollie: "You know..you never did answer my question regarding your name. Chances are..you'll remain Red Arrow. Or you'll go back to Arsenal..or maybe you'll join me and Connor to form our own little Team Green Arrow, but if there's one name I know suits you.. It's the Hero of Star City."

Roy: "..You know.. that has a nicer ring to it than I thought."

Not quite the End. I'm pretty sure after this, we'll see plenty of Roy Harper. And Still. He Rises.

That's it. Final pitch. Now you can decide what's what. Favorite pitch, favorite moment, etc. Enjoy!

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My version of The Rise and Fall

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:46:05 GMT

Ok I said I'll explain the Rise and Fall, so before I get into the third pitch, here you go. These act as prequels and do tie-in.

The Rise of Arsenal:

After the dream sequences and history recap, Roy wakes up. Arm missing but his memory is coming back to which be prepared for a violent flashback sceen that shows Roy meeting with Captain Marvel as Cap attacks him. Eventually Pro reveals himself and Roy has him on the ropes when Pro fires one of his discs at Roy's head. Roy dodges but not enough as one cuts through his arm. The shock is such that Promethues just leaves him and figures the rest would take care of itself. Which then transitions into the scene in Cry for Justice #5 with Roy walking out with the bloody stump. and that's all he remembers. He inquires as to what happened but the doctors don't tell him much of anything beyond the physical trauma. Dinah is the first one to meet him as she walks in and rushes over to hug him. To which she tells him all that happened and when he asks about Lian. She can barely find the words to tell him but has to.

Roy goes from shock to jumping out of bed and walking out of his room and trying to walk out the hospital. He's hyserical and the staff think of little else to do but pin him down and sedate him as he cries out for Lian.

When he comes to, he's quiet. Dinah can't get anything out of him. She stays there for moral support and talks to the doctors. When asked about the surgery, he reluctantly agrees, not even caring. With a new arm, he doesn't even feel whole. Not with Lian gone.

Dinah tries to work with him and help him rehab himself. Eventually, they're attacked by Cheshire and the Dark Titans. Dinah holds her own and has plenty kick ass moments but eventually it's beginning to be too much and Roy joins in. Eventually he's separated from her as a very furious Cheshire squares off against Roy. During the fight, you discover the motivation. Cheshire missed out on her revenge so next best thing to her is taking out the father she deems responsible for not being good enough to protect their daughter. Angered, Roy goes into a rage and tosses her out the window. She manages to survive and make her escape that way as Roy rejoins Dinah in her fight, eventually the Dark Titans decide to leave at Cheshire's call as they only went with her plan as a favor. That and because they don't want her distracted during their missions so they figured they can squash this problem now.

Ollie and the others are too late to join the fight but all of a sudden, Roy grabs Ollie and slams him into the wall and pretty much is pissed. Firstly admitting that Ollie should've let Prometheus walk..so that he can be the one to put an arrow through Promethue's head. Also he questions Ollie about what happened and why wasn't anyone there to help Lian.

Ollie explains his side but then Roy spots Mia. He questions her, but she hesitates answering. The guilt coming on but before she can, they're interrupted by a doctor who wanted to talk about the arm and discuss a rehab plan to which Roy smacks the clipboard out of his hand and declares that he doesn't care about that shit right now.

He then leaves. Having no home to go to, he stays with Donna who knows about losing a child. She tries to talk to him but he's having none of it. It ends with a night of sex. Next day, he leaves without her knowing. He's in Gotham now and rented a room.

He doesn't stay for long as he's wandering the streets. As he does, his mind is on Lian. Her face. Her laugh. All the times he played with her. All the cute moments with her. He's about to break down when he bumps into a guy. This guy is pretty angry and pushing for a fight. Roy's face turns blank just like in the GA and JLA series so this is the start of it here.

Eventually Roy snaps and starts giving the guy a brutal beating. Eventually his buddies try to help and Roy has more than enough for anyone. It gets so bad that it lands in a bar and Roy begins smacking down random people. He's out of control. Tears are flooding his eyes. Lian is the only picture he sees and his despair is turning into fury. Then Dick shows up and Roy gets into it with him, still in his crazed state. It's brutal and Roy is such a wild card right now, Dick can't predict his moves and eventually it ends when Roy is snapped out of it. He looks at his hands and seem surprised as well as horrified by his actions.

He runs away before Dick can try to reach out to him. Along the way, Roy hears about a crisis in a building with a man holding a child hostage. Roy sneaks in and all of a sudden the kidnapper finds Roy's hand over his mouth and a knife sticking through his back and out of his chest. Roy was back in blank mode then, driven by hearing that a child was in danger and realizing that monsters can't be allowed to live in this world anymore..he and other heroes have been too easy going.

He modifies his old Arsenal uniform to the description I described earlier. He doesn't have his bow and arrows, but knifes and pistols. He aquires the two butterfly swords as well. On his night out, a guy tries to mug him, only to find his hand missing and throat slit thanks to Roy's quick use of the swords. Later, he busts a child slave ring, sneaking in and stealthily killing henchmen but then eventually when he seems out gunned and manned, it seems to happen again.

His vision changes. He hears Lian's voice. Sees her face. Then all of a sudden, everyone he sees..all have the faces of Prometheus. Roy flies into a rage and goes gun fu on these guys, empying his bullets and using his guns as projectiles. To which then he takes out the knives and now the surrounding area is grey. Everyone and it in Roy's vision. Roy is the only one with color and time is still. He runs through, slicing through the henchmen and killing every single one of them and saves the leader for last. When he gets to the leader, he cuts the guys arms off and beats him until he's dead, all the time imagining Prometheus' face.

GA and crew are getting worried about Roy. Dick recounts that night he fought Roy and how strange he was acting. They realize that they need to try an intervention, which actually doesn't take well.

Eventually Roy remembers a particular monster..Tanner. He remembers the incident with Lian being kidnapped. He reflects on Grace's on horror story about her experience. So Roy tracks him down, fucks up his whole operation and liberates any children he's holding. Then violently kills Tanner.

But the plot with Cheshire and the Dark Titans isn't over just yet.

On a rainy night..Dinah confronts Roy. We get a dramatic moment before Roy's rage takes over and they get into an epic, yet heart breaking fight as he's attacking the one person who was always there for him. That is when he comes to, worrying about his psychosis and thinking maybe he does need help. Dinah invites him to stay with the family. Then we get the whole Mia bonding thing. It doesn't last long as the Arrow family is attacked by the Dark Titans and Mia taken hostage by Cheshire. Turns out, Cheshire found out more details of the day Lian died and found another source of blame. Roy and crew go to save her and it's during this moment we get the dramatic moment of reveal that also ties into the series.

Cheshire reveals that Mia left Lian alone.

Roy is shocked and asked if it's true. Mia looks away in shame and tells him she's sorry. Roy is at a loss for words but presses on as the Arrow Family get into it with the Titans. Eventually Donna, Dick, and Hal join in the fight and turn the tables. The Dark Titans are chased off, but Roy is back in rage mode. All the progress made..lost in an instant. He chases after and we're treated to another epic fight, Roy owning Deathstroke in particular when he remembers that Deathstroke has quick healing abilities and can revive after death. He asks Deathstroke about this and then..pulls out his gun and shoots him right in the dick saying, "Let's see if you can heal that."

He takes out the other members so now it's left to him and Cheshire. It's violent and brutal until Roy gets the upper hand. He starts choking her. She passes out and Dinah stops him before Cheshire dies.

He stares down, his face hidden in the shadows. He looks defeated and betrayed. Mia approaches him, asking for forgiveness, but he ignores her and walks away.

Days later we get the start of the JLA series that I described above but this time showing Roy sitting at a table. Gun, heroine, noose, lighter, and knives. He was contemplating which way to commit suicide. He eventually grabs the lighter and gets up.

He grabs his costume and adds the mask. The sequence is a good one as it shows the now familiar blank face of his. You hear Lian's voice echo in the background as he puts it on. Then add the coat and hat and he sets fire to his place, standing outside and watching it burn. He has risen.

The Fall of Green Arrow:

This arc has Ollie in his dark place as well, even shows scenes that coincide with Rise of Arsenal showing Ollie trying to get through to Roy, but Ollie himself isn't doing so good and whenever he's on patrol, he's out killing crooks and villains. Dinah is growing uncomfortable as her and Ollie are fighting more.

At one point he's working with Mia, but things make a bad turn as he snaps at her, pretty much pinning some blame on her. Which heart broken she leaves and goes home, leaving Ollie to feel like a dick.

Ollie isn't as out of control as Roy but still people are worried. Eventually Ollie begins to realize just how low he's gone and how damaged his family is. He wants to fix it but doesn't know how. Eventually circumstances does show him meeting with the Black King of Checkmate. The two argue and Ollie leaves..but then seemingly comes back and shoots an arrow right in between the King's eye, killing him and it's all caught on camera.

At this point, the JLA think Ollie's gone off the deep end and needs to be brought to justice. Dinah is unsure what to think as footage is released showing Ollie kill that guy. expect some major clashes, especially the final one with Ollie versus Connor, Mia, and Dinah. As it ends with Dinah hesitating as Ollie is getting away. Does she believe him or not? Finally she makes her decision and hits him with a Canary Cry, which takes him down as he's surrounded by authorities and taken into custody.

His identity is revealed through this and Ollie couldn't feel anymore like shit. It's a sad ending.

Escape from Supermax:

But then comes part 2. Shows Ollie arriving at the prison and day one, he gets into a fight. There's another nod towards Rise of Arsenal as Tattoed Man comments on how crazy the Arrows got and one of them is the reason he's there now.

Ollie gets his ass handed to him as he doesn't have a lot of fans there. Eventually he makes a deal with Brick, an old foe of his as he needs to be able to survive long enough to get out. They even enlist Icicle and Tattooed Man.

They decide to plan an escape, staging a riot long enough to grab their clothes and weapons. Prison ends up on lockdown and action picks up from here as Ollie and crew gotta go through the prison and face danger at every corner.

One scene shows Roy watching the news, wearing his clothes without the mask. Shows him put on his mask and leaves the apartment.

Eventually towards the climax, hope seems lost for an outnumbered Ollie. Then behind him, walls come down and it's Roy in his Masked Man garb, who somehow managed to get his hands on a helicopter. He opens fire on the inmates, allowing Ollie time to escape. It's hectic and cameras are capturing every minute.

Ollie at this point doesn't know the Masked Man is Roy so Ollie asks him who he is. To which Roy replies,

"Neither friend nor foe. Just someone who likes to dip his hand into the cookie jar is all. I'll be seeing you around Mr. Queen."

He leaves. Ollie is alone, looking back at the Prison and heads on himself, preparing for the journey ahead and thus leads into the GA series.

So that's it for Pitch 2. Feel free to share thoughts, critique, favorite scene, etc. I'll be back with the third and final pitch. Enjoy!

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Justice League of America/Green Arrow: The Rage

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:36:54 GMT

Ok this one is different. Unlike "Harper" this pitch doesn't involve one series but two. This I came up with after CfJ #7. Post CfJ, the two series in focus are JLA and Green Arrow. Both dealing with fallout and would put some focus on Roy Harper. Again, I'm seeing this as if watching a t.v. series, in fact, a new animated series with a shared universe and not for the kids. Not only will this be post CfJ, but post Rise and Fall. Rest assured, there will be more on that storyline, but right now, this one.

Over in Green Arrow, it's post Fall of Green Arrow, whose still on the run. Police, heroes, and the world at large want him. For that reason, he can't go home so basically he's homeless. He refuses to see his family for reasons that will be revealed later.

The plots of this "season" involves Oliver trying to prove his innocence while still establishing his brand of justice on enemies. So what is he not guilty of? Murder. Not of Prometheus but an innocent man.

As for what's going on with the rest of the Arrow Clan? The family is in bad shape. Barely anyone communicates with each other any more. Some are more guilt ridden than others. Mia is off her game and retired as Speedy. Connor is still fighting crime and seems a lot angrier than usual. Dinah and Ollie's marriage is in danger and Roy...is missing. No one's heard from him or seen him. So another major plot point being the search for him.

The series will reveal a new character whose potentially friend or foe. It's a mystery man wearing a brown coat, matching fedora hat and gloves. Not to mention he's wearing a goggled mask to boot so he defnitely isn't normal. His coat is closed so you can't see what's under it. When he speaks, it's clear that he's masking his own voice. I just simply refer to him as The Masked Man.

Before I continue, I should point out that in here, I combined both Fall of Green Arrow and the proposed Escape from Supermax movie into a 2-part story, which I will elaborate on later but it would turn out, this man helped break Ollie out of prison.

So with Ollie on the run, it'll also be up to him to try and repair his shattered family. As for the mystery man, it would turn out that he's a serial killer. All his targets are men and with the GA series being mature, you will witness these murders on screen as he deals them a swift death either by shooting them, using a knife, or even butterfly swords.

At one point he randomly attacks Mia and the two brawl, prompting Ollie to help her and semi reunite the arrow clan, minus Roy. They're still looking. The guy is focused and good, knows their moves even. One point, Mia takes up a bow and arrow again and shoots, to which with much ease and less effort, he catches her arrows.

It is to be noted that the mystery man normally seems so calm and calculating, but his attacking of Mia seemed..off. Like he flew into a random fit of rage.

Still at times, he acts as allie, but also Ollie and crew are trying to turn him in for his crimes. It would be discovered that he has a list of the men he killed and men he plans to kill. Even a couple super villains and heroes on his list. Heroes primarily being within the Arrow Family and JLA so it's like a what's going on with this guy?

Also another reason he's a major enemy. The day Roy disappeared. He may be connected and this is where we reach the JLA series.

It starts a little earlier from where GA started, team assembling but Donna goes to see Roy. His apartment is dark and he's been sitting alone in the room the whole time. He hasn't been very talkative and rarely communicates with anyone. Even Dinah has a hard time getting through to him. Donna tries to convince him to become a hero again. To do it for Lian. He refuses and wants to be left alone. So during a mission when the JLA are in trouble, last minute Roy shows up and saves the day, but just as soon leaves.

He's back at his place sitting alone and when Donna goes to visit...she instead finds his house on fire. Then it blows up. And who was around at that time? The masked man. Donna spotted him and in fact, she was the one who filled in the Arrow Clan about that incident.

So they all think that this guy has something to do with Roy and even fear that he killed him. In GA, he'll play his share of mind games, mentally torturing Mia and Ollie. It often seems like he's testing them, but for what? Still, he remains at large. They come close, but he slips through and they can't figure out his pattern except he's killing just men. At one point the Dark Titans would get invovled as Cheshire is curious about the man who is connected to Roy's disappearance. In JLA, mind games again and confusion as to if he's friend or the ultimate villain of the series.

Taking a page from Heavy Rain (awesome game for those with a PS3. Buy it. Buy it NOW!)and there will be a story in which children are being kidnapped and missing. This will take place over in Green Arrow. Masked Man is on the trail and investigating. The killer is playing head games with parents and eventually the identity of said person is... Roy! Now at this point I know you're thinking wtf, but.. just to fuck with you, I'm gonna let you stew in that and you'll see where I'm going. By the time I'm done, things will come to make sense. lol So trust me people, ok? Trust. Me.

Well the JLA get invovled and both groups are shocked. After a fight and chase, Roy escapes but instantly is met with a gun to his forehead as the masked man shoots and kills him. Everyone sees this and have mixed emotions of shock and anger. The masked man acts nonchalant and simply walks away.

Another GA plot involves a hostage situation. A little girl is taken by a man and the Arrow Clan are on the case. The Masked Man is on the trail as well, which leads to a bit of conflict as everyone wants to know what does he have to do with it? He gets away and they press on except by the time they get there..the problem is handled. The man is dead and the little girl is coming out. Ollie approaches her and asks.

Ollie: "Little girl..who saved you?.."

Girl: "The sad man.."

Ollie: "Sad man?......"

The plot thickens.

Mystery continues but eventually begins to come to a head as his intentions are finally coming to light and the question of if he's friend or foe is about to be answered.

In fact, in JLA, he's been shown searching for Prometheus' helmet and gathering up his crew from Cry for Justice. That includes Electrocutioner, Razor, and Prometheus' manservent (I seriously forgot that guy's name). In another twist, it turns out that fake Prometheus survived being burned and healed from some of his injuries. The Masked Man proclaims him asthe new Prometheus once again. Where are they headed? Back to Star City.

Along the way though, each member ends up killed off, one by one. First the man servent. Later Razor turns up dead and the Masked Man isn't worried. He even calms Fake Pro and Electrocutioner by telling them that they'll just get a bigger piece of the pie. Eventually when Fake Pro and the masked man are alone, he beats the tar out of him and leaves him for dead. So yea,a wtf moment. He leaves behind the helmet for the JLA and Arrow Clan to find and now they're confused. So it's onward to Star City they go.

Also there's something else. Concerns the victims the masked man murdered. Turns out they weren't so innocent. Ollie would find out that these men were all monsters. Child killers and molestors. People who harmed children. Pure evil. Another clue perhaps?

So what does Eletrocutioner, the JLA, and Arrow Family have to do with it? You're about to find out.

Location: Star City.

They arrive at a certain spot, when the masked man pulls a gun on the Electrocutioner. He doesn't pull the trigger though but instead speaks first.

Masked Man: "Do you know where we are?"

Electrocutioner: "Star City. So what?"

Masked Man: "You're correct but let me asked you again. This spot we're standing on..do you know what it is?.."

Electrocutioner: "..."

Masked Man: "Word is you took part in a plot that decimated this city. Killed thousands of people...this spot..is very significant.. Did you know that a little girl died here?.."

Electrocutioner: "So did a bunch of other kids. I don't know the body count so why should I know who was who?"

Masked Man: "Well you should. Children being killed..it's never a pleasant thing..it's downright maddening...a girl died here...in this very spot..she...she died alone..no one was there for her..no one with her... whoever was looking after her...left her alone...and for that..she died..and that thanks especially goes...to you...do you have any idea how maddening that is? To know that a child..scared and alone..died...and the scum responsible..were given a free pass?!"

Masked Man pulls the trigger and shoots. Electrocutioner gets lucky and doesn't get a fatal wound as he's on the move himself and an intense fight starts. Like before the Masked Man seems off. He's angry, yet focused, but crazed. He's even daring the Electrocutioner to fight back, yelling for him to give him a reason. By the time the JLA and Arrow Family arrive, Electrocutioner is at his mercy. His gun is ready. They try to stop him and another fight ensues. He knows their moves and weaknesses and thus able to hold his own. Not to mention, he modified his pistols similar to how Prometheus has his gauntlets. After Mia takes aim and shoots an arrow at him, it rips past the mask and pulls it off revealing none other than... Roy!!

His hat is off and he removes the coat. His new costume being the old Arsenal suit (Pre-Outsiders) but with the left side having a long sleeve and gloves comepletely covering his arm while the right has no covering up to the shoulder, showing off his metal arm. He has a soul patch on his chin and his hair cut is the one similar to the style he had in the Teen Titans animated series. His face..blank..especially the eyes,that's what creeps people out.

With this moment of shock, it's explained that he burned his own house, living off the map and hunting for monsters. The whole serial killer Roy thing... it was Everyman and someone's idea of a sick joke. No one knows what to do with this. To see this side of Roy. Before anyone can say anything else, Electrocutioner is back on his feet and about to attack Roy only to be met with a bullet between the eyes. So it would seem that...the puzzle is complete.

But then here's a hell of a cliffhanger. As everyone approaches him..Mia gets a little too close and finds the barrel of his gun at her forehead. Roy isn't looking at her. Again his face..blank and he speaks.

Roy: "I have a question for you Mia...and I'm only going to ask this once.. When my Princess was taken from me... where were you?.."

To be concluded.

Mia seems at a lost for words. Everyone trying to talk him down and even try to access a way to jump him before he can pull off shot.

Roy: "You left her by herself! She died because of you! I counted on you. Trusted you to look after her..and for that she died. My little girl is dead..."

Click!

His hand is shaking. The rage taking over. It's becoming clear why he randomly attacked her episodes back. Eventually..he drops the gun.. did he accept her apology? People talk him down? His face is still blank though. Wally walks over, placing a hand on his shoulder. Roy's hand cover his and then..his other hand drives right up Wally's elbow, breaking his arm. He acts quick and delivers a kick to Wally's knee, breaking it too. Everyone is so shocked that it takes a moment to register what happened and the fight is on.

It is to be noted at this point that Roy's face doesn't change and his eyes..the eyes are unforgetable.. He doesn't seem all there. He's fighting his own friends. Family. People he loves. This is a different side of him. It's intense and comes to a head when he does get his hands on Mia, pinning her to the ground as he began to choke her.

It's then that Ollie drops his bow and quiver, trying to reason with Roy..

Ollie: "Roy... I can't count the many times I've failed you. Al lthe times you needed me and I wasn't there, but son this isn't you... The men you killed..they were bad men, but Mia is a good person. No one can know what would've happened. No one knew what to do. It could've been anyone of us Roy. Anyone. Mia is family son and if you go down this road, there is no coming back."

*Motions for everyone to hold back, but is signalling for Dinah to use her Canary Cry if the action needs to be taken.*

Roy is angry at everyone. The JLA for letting a monster go. Mia for abandoning Lian. Ollie for cheating Roy out of his chance for revenge. He's just angry period. Finally..he lets go...

Roy: "Not a day passes that I don't think of her. The day I first held her. All the good times. Her voice. Her laughter. Her smile. The promises I made her and I could barely keep one. Do you know how hard it is to deal with it? To be surrounded by memories 24/7? I can't even sleep without thinking about her... I couldn't handle it. I feel so..cold. So alone and then just angry. Eventually, it gets to where I feel nothing at all and I become this other person. I don't have to feel the pain. I can focus then. I can do what has to be done. I can punish those who are responsible, destroy monsters who hurt children. I can do things without distraction.. except.."

*His voice begins to crack*

Roy: "I couldn't stop thinking of her. Whenever I killed. When I fought.. I see her the whole time..I hear her voice."

*He breaks down, now on his hands and knees as tears stream down his face.*

Roy: "She's gone...my Princess is gone..."

*Ollie approaches and embraces him, hugging him as a father would a son.*

Next season shows Roy still acting as a loner who will show up randomly or last minute to kick some ass. Also he's been shown to be taking unncessary risks that could easily get him killed. Speaking of badassery, there's an arc that will pit the Arrow Crew against the Dark Titans in which we are treated to an epic fight between Deathstroke and Roy, whose using his butterfly swords.

He's kept his distance from Mia as he, admittedly, still has thoughts of harming her. He didn't serve any jail time but has been required to seek some help and everyone tries to get him to try and have fun again. To try and live for Lian's sake. There's flashback scenes of Roy when he was the smartass, womanizing jokester. There's a scene with Donna and Dinah visiting his place to give him some company, figuring that he can't just be by himself all the time. What they find instead is a bare apartment with only a bed. Everything else is still in a box.

Roy often seems annoyed with jokes and anyone who doesn't seem to take things seriously. He had a beard, but they at least managed to get him to shave that so he's back to the soul patch. As for romantic interest, Donna of course seeks a warm relationship but still has feelings for him. There's a scene in which him and Kendra reunite..and he's particularly verbally vicious towards her.

A major plot thread would be the relationship with Roy and Mia. How the recent events effected it and how it effects the family and most of all, how to repair it.

In JLA, there's a particular battle in which they find themselves in a jail and ended up with their asses saved. The person that saved them used red arrows. Was it Roy? Did he take up the bow again? Nope. It's not him who shoots the arrow. In fact he hasn't picked up a bow since the start fo the series. Instead it's a mystery woman dressed like Little Red Riding Hood and she meets with Ollie, telling him that he needs to save Roy.

Mystery Woman: "Don't just save his life... save him. The family and future depends on it."

With that ominous warning, she leaves. Roy arrives but has already missed the action. Ollie from this point decides to keep a close eye on him. There are plenty scenes with Ollie being a bit over protective and practically jumping in front of bullets. At times it gets comedic, but most times, serious with Roy thinking his mentor might've lost a few marbles.

And now we get into a mega arc called "The Rage." As everything else usually was split into JLA and Green Arrow, now Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps are making an addition. So you know what that means.

That "day" hasn't come yet, but this is the start. A Red Lantern ring arrives on earth and finds Roy. He picks it up, inspects it and tosses it away. It follows him. It is to be noted that at this point, the arc is taking place in only JLA for now.

Roy ends up meeting Dawn (Dove), who takes an interest in him and wanting to help. It turns out that he hasn't been really cooperating in therapy so that's been in the shitter. They get close and it seems like she's being set up as a potential new love interest. Dove ends up joining the JLA and already they end up faced with fighting Raven's brother's. Raven and Miss Martian also end up guest-starring in this arc. It's an intense bout but during a fight with a brother who represents Wrath, Roy ends up particularly stressed. His anger is coming back and it's at that moment, the ring forces itself on Roy's finger. He drops to his knees and yells as the power fills him, his suit is modified into a more Red Lantern look, but that's not all. In his outburst, that burst seemed to have went all over the universe, like a signal.

Remember in Blackest Night when Spectre warned Atrocitus that finding the Rage Entity is NOT a good idea? Guess what? It's awake and is making it's way towards Earth...

Roy chases them off, but then turns on his teammates and the fight is on. With Roy's rage coming out, the team can't reason with him. Switch to Green Lantern and Atrocitus has arrive on earth, with a few fellow Red Lanterns in tow. He wants Roy to join their ranks. Hal won't have it. So now it's Red Lanterns vs the JLA, with Roy in the middle. Eventually Hal has an idea and leaves the battle. The JLA are now trying to keep Roy away from the Red Lanterns and eventually finding themselves overpowered.

After a fight with Roy, Atrocitus convinces Roy to make it official and recite their oath. Roy begins to when all of a sudden, green tape covers his mouth. It's Hal Jordan and he has a manhunter with him. He uses it to drain Roy's ring of it's power. Rejoining the JLA, they chase off Atrocitus and crew, but not before proclaiming that he will be back. With the help of Raven, Megan, and Dawn, they at least manage to help him manage his rage and put on a mental block that allows him to use the ring, but without going batshit crazy.

Over in Green Arrow, Roy is testing out his new ring and ends up fighting the Tattooed Man in one arc. In JLA, there's an arc pitting the JLA against both Terror Titans and Dark Titans, with plenty of Roy awesomeness. Green Lantern features Hal mentoring Roy as best he can on how to use the Ring to fight crime as well as focusing on his own relationship with Roy. Alas, all good things must come to an end.

Raven's brother's return, having teamed up with Brother Blood and his cult. They want to revive Trigon. They are joined by Raven and Megan again. They plan to use Star City as the place to ressurrect Trigon, so the Arrow Clan ends up involved. They manage to take the fight out of the city, but the villains still manage to revive Trigon, who quickly begins to own them all. Having sensed the rage in Roy, he takes special interest to the point that the mental blocks put there end up broken and Roy succumbs to his rage again and attacks. He puts up a great effort, but is quickly losing. The JLA and Arrow Clan try to help, but can't. They're outnumbered and overpowered. Then Roy ends up kicking ass, beating Brotherblood and killing some of his members, then Raven's brothers. Now comes the rematch against Trigon. They brawl and it seems even. They're wondering how, but as the fight goes on, Roy gains the upper hand and ends up killing Trigon.

Everyone is shocked and amazed. Slowly they approach Roy. Then screaming like a crazed banshee, he flies off. They try to track him down, but by the time they do, they find that he has kidnapped men all over and gathered them in one place. The men are "monsters" and Roy was delivering their punishment as he burns all of them. It's during this moment that it's revealed that the Rage Entity has taken over Roy. That's how he managed to overpower Trigon and crew.

He grabs Mia, trying to kidnap her but finds Spectre in his path. Another intense fight takes place. One moment has Roy constructing a giant bull around him and ramming Spectre. Roy wins this fight and decides to take Mia into space. Once again, his path is blocked, this time by Atrocitus and the Red Lanterns. Thinking that this is his moment, he tries to convince Roy to join again, only to end up owned. Once again, Roy makes a bull construct around him and Mia as he runs through the various Red Lanterns in front of him. At this point, Hal calls in the big guns, calling the rest of the new Guardians as well as Kyle, Guy, John, and other Green Lanterns. With help from the JLA and Arrow crew, they try to hold off Roy, but can't. He makes off with Mia and now no one knows what to do. Donna has an idea and flies off. Kyle gets the idea to use Mogo as that's what helped against Guy when he went Red Lantern.

They confront Roy again and lead him to Mogo. The JLA can't join the fight as they are in a protective bubble in space. As for Donna, she has Diana's lasso. Turns out her plan involved asking Diana to borrow it. Mogo pulls Roy in. The JLA, Arrow Clan, Raven, Megan, Hal, Kyle, and the rest of the Guardians confront him there. In space Atrocitus is back and wants to claim the Entity, but the other Green Lanterns are there to hold him off. Back on Mogo, a huge fight ensues and things at first seem at a stand still until Roy gets the upper hand. Similar to Black Lantern Green Arrow, Roy uses truth arrows that reveal why he's angry at everyone. Then a plan comes together. Donna uses her Lasso and wrangles of Roy. The other Guardians bound Roy as well and drive him into one of Mogo's baths (you know the one he used to cleanse Guy of the Rage). Dove also adds her power to the mix and the second part of the plan comes in. Megan creates a telepathic link from Roy's mind to that of Ollie, Dinah, Donna, Dick, Wally, and The Guardians.

So now begins the mind battle. The Ultimate Intervention as in Roy's mind, they find him bound to the form of the Rage Entity, which is that of a angry bull. After a fight, they manage to free Roy, which leads to a face-off. The Entity changes form into that of Red Lantern Arsenal. So it's Roy vs. Roy. Roy is quickly losing the battle as he can't touch the Entity without it burning him and the more the fight goes in the Entity's favor, the more you notice that Roy's appearance is changing into that of a Red Lantern too, which suggests that if the transformation is complete, it's over. The Entity is now playing head games, going over Roy's bad histoy to use against him. The drugs, the women, losing his daughter, everything. Roy is turned into a child again, the same age he was when he last saw his dad. He's engulfed in flames. He's crying out in pain. Dinah rushes in, the flames aren't hurting her or she's ignoring the pain. She wraps protective arms around Roy and gives the Entity a deathly stare as she proclaims:

Dinah: "You can't have him..."

*The Entity simply laughs as he gets closer to the two, finding an arrow in his chest, shot by Ollie.*

Ollie: "You heard her asshole... You. Can't. Have him!"

Entity: "Well isn't this sweet!"

Now Dinah and Ollie are fighting him. He It's a standstill as they are trying their best to hold him off. Eventually Roy returns to normal and with his butterfly swords, intercepts the Entity. The damage done, The Entity's form is now changing to that of Roy's. So he comes up with a plan. He changes form, turning into Prometheus. If that wasn't enough, he creates an image of a Black Lantern Lian next to him. He taunts him by saying, "She's my little girl now.."

This sets Roy off as he starts beating his ass, yet oddly, the Entity isn't fighting back. He's just smirking. Roy's form is changing into a Red Lantern again. Ollie and crew catch onand try to stop Roy but can't. He "kills" Prometheus. Transformation complete. Roy is dissolving and then disappears. The Entity thinks it won but then the scenary changes. It's a desert and Roy is walking alone. The Entity seems to be gone. Roy's appearance is different. He's in blue jeans, open shirt, and his hair is a mess. His arm is gone and aorund his other arm, you can see the strap as a syringe is in his arm. His neck is bleeding and so are the old bullet wounds he received in Outsiders. He looks strung out. Turns out Roy got a second life line thanks to Donna but was now on a trial of sorts. He comes across a mirror, which has his reflection, which is the current Arsenal smirking at him and taunting him.

Arsenal: "Look at you! You're weak! All those injuries. All those weaknesess. You're a disgrace and you know it. How did you ever think you'll be able to take care of a child, let alone yourself! It's pathetic! How can you even live with yourself! You're not a man. You're a waste of space!"

That's why Ollie figures it out. Maybe the Entity had the right idea. Al lthe time they spent, trying to send Roy to a therapist and seek help, but have they actually tried? Have they gotten him to open up at all? this was the moment. Roy needed to confront his emotions.

Ollie: "Roy...what are you angry at?.."

*Roy lowers his head. He's quiet. Then in a rage, reaches out with his good arm, grabbing "Arsenal" by the neck. The mirror shatters as he pulls him out, looking him in his smirking face.*

Roy: "Myself. I always thought I was weak. Self doubt. No one gave me a chance and I only have myself to blame, but I'm not weak dammit! I'M NOT!!"

*Scene changes. It's complete darkness.*

Ollie: "What is your fear?"

Roy: "...What kind of question is that? My fear already came true. I lost the most important person in my life.. I..I can't do anything about it.."

Dinah: "Yes you can Roy.."

*Scene changes again, this time in a violet room.*

Donna: Who do you love?

Roy: "Lian."

Dove: "And she clearly loves you. Do you know that there are others who love you? Your family..friends..lovers?.. Everyone is worried about you Roy, can't you see? We love you. We only want you to be able to move through this.."

*scene changes*

St. Walker: "What do you hope for?"

Roy: "To...to see Lian again..to know that I made her proud..to know that she's happy."

*scene changes*

Hal: "What drives you?"

Roy: "....Lian...

Ollie: "Well then...get the hell up!!"

*Surprise, Roy looks at his old mentor*

Ollie: "Don't look at me! Get up! You say you fight for your daughter. That you want to make her proud, but how can you do that when all you do is sulk?! How can you do that when you're not trying to live! If you want to make her proud then live dammit! Show her that you are the man she looks up to! Show her the hero that she always knew you were!!!"

Roy looks ahead and in front of him is Lian, smiling at him. She's in her "Dart" suit and runs over and hugs him. She has her own set of arrows and a bow. They turn and spot the Entity in front of them. Roy gets in front of Lian and takes on his foe. He gains upper hand and draws him back, then he and Lian, stand side-by-side, both drawing arrows and firing. Each arrow that lands weakens the Entity, causing his form to change from Red Lantern to Arsenal. With the transformation complete, it changes back into it's bull form and charges. Roy is out, but Lian glows and turns into energy, refilling his quiver with multi colored arrows representing the emotions he felt and the questions asked of him. As he fires each one, he repeats the question in his head, all the while, hitting the charging bull with his arrows. Finally, the last one is a white arrow as he hits the bull right between the eyes. It forces the Entity our of Roy as it makes it's escape. Atrocitus takes advantage and captures it. He's convinced that for now, he'll put it in their crystal, knwoing how dangerous it was to use it for now, but rest assured, he fully intends to control it when the time comes. He leaves with the Red Lanterns in tow. As for Roy, all seems well but he's not waking up. The stress of the situation seemed to have put him in a coma. Could it be that Day has come?..

Roy is in the hospital, lying in a coma. The mystery woman returns but is joined by friends: Nightstar, Aquagirl, Terry McGuiness, an older Damian, the Batman Beyond Green Lantern, and Avia. The day is here and they intend to prevent it. A red lantern from the future has come back and intends to have Roy killed. He even hires the Dark Titans to do so. It's a race against time as they team up with the JLA and Arrow clan to protect Roy.

There are some good moments to note, like the older Damian visiting Dick in the cave and thanking him for not giving up on him. Also him telling the younger Damian that he should consider being nicer to Stephanie.

Damian: "Why should I?"

Older Damian: "You'll understand when you're older.."

*An engagement ring is shown on his finger."

Eventually the Dark Titans and Red Lantern make their return as Ollie and the Mystery Woman are left with Roy. Ollie leaves, but he comes to a realization as he leaves some words of wisdom.

Ollie: "You know..they often say that hearing the voice of family helps..you should think about that.."

*The Woman watches as he leaves, then takes Roy's hand, having a seat next to him.*

Woman: "Year's ago... the woman who raised me told me the story of a great man. People often counted him out, but she and others saw the potential in him. There was a different side to him that others rarely saw..that is..until he became a father. He had his failings but no one could deny..he was a great father. It matured him, made him better even, but that all changed the day he lost his daughter. He became so angry and lonely. What happened to him? In his last days..he succumbed to his anger..and it only led to his death.. Rumor has it.. the other Speedy..racked with guilt commited suicide..because he never forgave her. Oliver Queen..his heart...his heart couldn't take it anymore. He died soon after. Dinah and Connor were the only ones left. When they came across me..it was too late. I always wanted to meet you..no..to be reunited with you. You have no idea how scared I was..all alone.. A nice couple took me in for a while but I could only think of you. I waited and waited for you to find me, but you never came. Your death affects this family in so many ways. They need you. Mia needs you. Ollie needs you. I need you. Please..don't let it end like this.."

Wait for it. Here comes the magic word.

Red Hood: "..Daddy.."

*The heart monitor springs to life. Roy slowly opens his eyes and looks at the woman, only seeing the image of the younger Lian until his vision clears.*

Roy: "Lian?..."

Father and Daughter reunite! They embrace and catch up on her experiences. Dinah and Connor trained her along with Sin and Olivia. He comments on her red hair to which she replies that she prefers the hair style of a parent she respects. They team up and take on the Dark Titans. We're treated to an awesome fight between Lian and Cheshire, to which she kicks Cheshire's ass, then tackles Deathstroke with her dad. With the Red Lantern captured, the future League returns home, but not before Lian tells Roy.

Lian: "I'm still out there dad..you just have to look.."

After they leave, Roy eyes his mask. Picking it up he puts it on and says.

Roy: "I'm back."

After, begins Roy's search for Lian. Around the same time, Cheshire decides that it's time for her to take care of Lian, thinking she's better off. She kidnaps her son with Catman, which forces a team-up. This arc I dub "Harper v. Nguyen: The Ultimate Custody Bout." It's a race to reach Lian and when they do, it's on. Roy eventually reminds cheshire why she left Lian in his care to begin with. He stops fighting her then and tells her that he promises..this won't happen a second time. Cheshire hesitates. She then leaves and fills in Catman on his kids' location. Roy and Lian embrace. Turns out the day it happened, a friend came to visit Lian. When the house collapsed, Lian managed to find a safe place, but saw her friend die. It traumatized her and left her in a state of shock. She walked around Star City aimlessly until a couple found her and took her in. Roy thanks the couple and decides to id the child that did die, knowing that her parents have to know the truth. Other than that, we got a happy ending but it's not over.

This leads into Pitch #3, which is a continuation of this one and I won't reveal what it is, but tell you what the tagline is: "And still he rises."

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Harper

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:24:40 GMT

Ok Pitch #1. This idea I came up with back in January. Around the time, Roy was literally disarmed (stop the snickers. I get it. It's funny). The death of Lian was merely speculation at the time and the second solicit of The Rise of Arsenal was revealed. Also take into account that at that time I haven't read Cry for Justice and I read pages of JLA that pretty much spoiled CfJ.. I was pissed about what happened to Roy, so sue me. So yes, you will see a still alive Prometheus. When I come up with these things, I do so as if I'm sitting in front of a t.v. and watching the series. So picture it how you want and again, this is a summarized idea with a complete journey, so don't expect too many details. Besides, part of the fun might be seeing how you imagine the journey inbetween.

So picture this. New series, revolves around Roy Harper. It's dark and for a mature audience. Sex. Yes. Violence. Of course. Nudity. Yep. After the events of Cry for Justice, we find out that Roy has retired from the hero game and is once again connected to the government. He's given up on the "Titan dream" and believes in little else. He's joined by Cyborg, who is in the same boat and acts as his Oracle rather than getting out on the field with him. Roy is still fighting crime among other threats, being a lot more proactive to keep his mind off other things.

Often, he'll act like the same old Roy we all know and love, practically acting care free, but it's a ruse. Deep down, he's a broken man whose yet to recover from his loss. He often wears jackets and gloves to hide his cybernetic arm. That and he really doesn't want to deal with the questions regarding it. His home is empty, save for pictures of Lian. On missions, he's often reckless and suicidal.

As the series progresses, we'll eventually discover that if there's anything motivating him, it's his personal mission. Turns out, his home isn't just filled with reminders of Lian. He has a room full of newspaper articles, satellite images, records, locations, maps, you name it. He's following Prometheus. In fact, he's obsessed with finding him.

As for the Arrow Family and other Titans, they check on him regularly. They show concern about his attitude, even as far as thinking that perhaps he's lost a few marbles and is in denial. They actually try a surprise intervention. Roy denies having any problem nor needing to talk about anything but he could only take so much from them. He doesn't explode. He grows silent. He asks them to follow him as he leads them to the room, showing them all his research. Here's a little dialogue:

Roy: "So.. you wanted me to have a response to what I've been through. There's your fucking response. I'm going to find that sonabitch and see to it that he gets what he deserves. I think about that day constantly. I think of all that I've lost and you had to bring your sorry asses here in some lame attempt to make me feel even worst. You win. Get the hell out of here."

Dinah: "Roy we were ju-"

*Roy angrily slams the door and gives Dinah an icy stare.*

Roy: "Get. The hell. Out. Of. My. House! The next time you want to try an intervention, try giving it to someone who actually needs it!"

End Scene.

They don't let it go of course. Their concern for Roy and what he'll do will play a definite role later in the series. In fact, in a "season finale" style arc, Prometheus would finally resurface. Roy wants him, but the JLA are intent on getting to him before Roy. At this point, he finds out that when they had Prometheus, they let him go. This leads to an explosive conflict that causes Roy to get into a brawl with the team. He holds his own, but only because of his anger. He gets taken down fairly fast and wakes up at his base with Cyborg watching him. Prometheus was capture and on his way to jail to answer for his crimes. Roy manages to escape, taking a sniper rifle, among other hardware, with him. So this turns into an assassination plot. Roy picks his spot, waiting for Prometheus to pass. Cyborg is able to alert the JLA in time and thus, Roy is confronted by Dick. He tries to talk him out of his plan, but Roy ignores him. Dick has no choice but to force Roy out of it. A fight ensues. Prometheus is getting closer. The rest of the League are on their way to detain Roy. Just as they do, Roy slips away, with the rifle. Hurriedly, he finds his spot. He doesn't bother to take aim, he's a crack shot. He simply points and begins to pull the trigger when...

BOOM!!

There's an explosion. Smoke is everywhere. People are panicing. No one knows what the hell just happened. Hurriedly, Roy makes his way down. The JLA follow. When the smoke clears, they find that Prometheus has escaped and lots of police officers lied dead or injured. He was so close, but remains oh so far.

Roy doesn't give up. He's still investigating. He hasn't been on speaking terms with anyone. Not even Cyborg, though they still work together so that makes for some form of communication. Around here we're introduced to a love interest, who also becomes a "cast member" and often helps out our duo. I was deciding between Donna Troy and Dawn Granger. That's right. Dawn Granger. Dove. Donna because they got history. Both know what it's like to lose a child and let's face it, the two have been on and off so much, something's gotta give here. Dawn herself has some fucked up parts of her past and lost a son too. That and she can act as a light in the darkness for Roy.

So we get the usual. They meet up, strike up a conversation. She gets curious about what's been going on with him. We get her opposing viewpoints as well as words of wisdowm. Will they or won't they moments. Then finally the hook up. Because of his obsession though, they'll eventually break up. He's just too damn focused on this.

Cyborg and our lady inacts a plan. They start setting up Roy on more heroic missions. Missions that involve super-villains. They're trying to get him back in the super-hero game. Though agitated when he finds out what they've been up to, he does think about suiting up again. We're even treated to a scene with him eyeing an old costume of his. I haven't thought of any original Rogues for him to face, but existing ones he'll face off with will include Lady Vic, Constantine Drakon, Merilyn, Lady Shiva, League of Assassins, The 7 Men of death, Brother Blood, Fearsome Five, Terror Titans, Dark Titans, and Vandal Savage.

We can't forget of course, that Prometheus is the big bad of the series. He's on top of the world now and considers himself the top dog among villains. Eventually, he'll find out about Roy and decides to use him as a "pet project."

Prometheus: "Every hero needs an archnemesis.."

Oh the irony.

So it becomes a cat and mouse theme with these two, often with Prometheus getting in Roy's head and Roy constantly coming close, only for Prometheus to slip through his fingers. One such plot has Prometheus putting a price on Roy's head and among the assassins taking the bait is Cheshire.

With Cheshire now becoming a recurring character, expecting more fighting than any chance of the two being civil to each other. There will be love and hate as usual and one arc will pit Roy against Catman, in which Roy finds out that he fathered a son with Cheshire (I assume that Roy still has no clue about that..seriously I saw no sign of him knowing so please correct me if I'm wrong).

Another arc finally has Roy meeting Jamie Harper and she becomes part of the main cast, often doing her share in the helping Roy take down Prometheus and eventually she'll stumble upon something that'll interest our hero.

Another "season finale" style arc involves a victory for Prometheus. He manages to capture Roy and locks him up in a cell. Location: Unkown. He's not alone though. In there with him is Captain Marvel. Pro's voice can be heard through a speaker. He's trying to get into Roy's head, telling him that it was Captain Marvel who ripped his arm off, not him. It was Cap who put him out of action and didn't allow any chance of Roy being able to prevent Lian's death. It's obviously bullshit, but he's hoping to screw Roy's mind enough to get him to attack his cellmate. Freddy is heavily sedated and can't concentrate enough to turn into Cap. Eventually they escape, but eerily, Roy notices how easy it was and that there are no guards..only Prometheus, whose confident that he can kick their asses on his own. With Captain Marvel being useless at the moment it's just Roy and Pro. During the fight, Prometheus shoots Roy's cybernetic hand, which shatters it. Roy picks up the pieces and uses them as projectiles, which does some damage to Prometheus' chest, but he still manages to get the upper hand. Luckily Fred comes to and saves the day, but Pro escapes and that's the last we see of him until our series finale.

So final season rolls around. The JLA and Arrow Clan are chasing down leads. Roy helps them, but treats it as merely business. Clearly he's back on speaking terms in some form, but still a bit sour about them letting Pro go, so they all walk around eggshells concerning that topic. Similar to CfJ, Prometheus inacts a plan within a plan. Distract the heroes, go for the main goal. It worked so brilliantly last time right? Roy grows wise to this, but doesn't fill the JLA in. He comes up with his own plan. Take the fight straight to Prometheus. His family and friends have all else handled. Ladies and gentlemen, prepare for some badassery as Roy would once again don the name Arsenal and become a one man army.

It would turn out that Prometheus is building an army himself, he wants to commit a terrorist act similar to Star City, but on a larger scale, in fact, he plans to finish off the City and then some. Meanwhile, Roy prepares as he's going pretty much on a suicide mission.

He'll don a new costume (which I'll show you later), along with his jacket, which comes with a hood. He'll wear shades similar to Green Arrow's on Smallville. His weapons, knives hidden all over his uniform, specifically in his jacket, pistols, sniper rifle, the boomerang, his red staff, and gallet gun. He tracks minions to a helicopter and as they take off, he uses a gaunlet attach to his arm to fire a hook and hitch a ride. He'll take out the minions and take control of the copter and launch his assault on Pro's island base.

Now i know you're thinking, "How is Roy gonna take on an army?"(And yes I know, the island base sounds like something straight out of a 007 movie, I get it people.) Well think of how Max Payne went crazy in the final fight of the movie. That's how.

So now everyone's alert. They shoot the helicopter down, but Roy already bails. So now he's doing it espionage style. He sets up a post with his sniper rifle, taking out as many as he can until he's out of bullets. Then he moves around the base, using his knives to take out henchmen, by throwing, stabbing, slitting throats, and even having a knife fight or two. Running out of weapons for his stealth approach, now he decides it's time to make some noise.

He pulls out the gallet gun..or chain gun I think is actually the name. He opens fire and the slaughter begins. No one stands a chance and he's not stopping until he's out of bullets. When that gun is out, he moves on to a new plan. He grabs a tank, unleashing hell on all of them and uses it to ram through the base. He places a bomb inside and high tails it, which leaves behind plenty of destruction. He uses his boomerang to behead multiple men at onces. He spots Pro and tosses it at him, but he catches it and throws it back. Roy grabs a henchman and uses him as a shield as the boomerang lands right in the chest. Roy abandones him and the weapon and pulls out his pistols.

Now imagine the scene in Wanted where Wes is running through the factory, killing henchmen left and right or the scene in Max Payne when he shoots up all the guards in the parking lot like a wild man. That's Roy. And he has extra clips too.

When he's done with them, he goes to his bow and arrows, almost hesitant as he hasn't used them in a while. He spots Pro again, knowing he's getting closer and needs to keep him from escaping. He fires an arrow, only for Pro to catch it and snap it in two. Roy's pissed but doens't give up. He has a couple trick arrows and owns henchmen ass. he makes sure there's only one arrow left, one he intends to save for later as now, the staff is out and he's back to using espionage tactics.

We're treated to a good fight scene with him verses guys with batons and staffs of their own. Eventually Roy's gets broken in half, so you think he's fucked. Not so. He uses the two broken halves as projectiles and starts grabbing random things to use as a weapon, even grabbing the guns and weapons of fallen henchmen to get through.

Finally he reaches Pro, and he's about to reach for his last arrow, when Pro gets on the offensive and thus we're treated to a long, yet awesome and brutal fight as Pro is someone completely capable of taking down the entire JLA, and he even tells Roy so. It begs the question, how can Roy stand a chance by himself? Well Roy just really wants to kick his ass so the willpower and memories of Lian is pushing him, plus he's been training and watching Pro's moves for a time before this. Still it's not an easy task. Eventually Pro would rip the sleeve of Roy, esposing the metallic arm, and begins taunting him, making Roy more angry. Roy's about to lose when he remembers why he's doing this. So he starts making his comeback but still is facing a challenge, eventually Pro knocks him back, but Roy finds his bow and that last arrow which is an explosive arrow.

He takes aim and Pro just smirks and gets ready to catch it.

Roy: "Catch this asshole." *shoots*

Pro indeed catches it, but by the time he notices it's an explosive and tries to abandone it, it blows up. He's not killed but badly hurt and down. Roy isn't finished yet though.

He kinda stalks him like a predator and for the first time, Pro knows fear and begs. Roy pulls out his pistol as he reveals that he has a couple shots left. Pro tries to get up and fight, but Roy actually helps him up and delivers a brutal beat down and breaks the guy's arm. He then steps on Pro's right arm and shoots around the spot where Roy's arm was ripped off. Now he's on top, think ufc style and cue dialogue:

Roy: "I have one more weapon. It's one you gave me. As thanks, I'm going to fucking beat you with it!!"

Which he does. Blow after blow comes down on Prometheus and he's fading fast. During all this, Roy's friends and fam would realize that Roy kinda misled them and went off on his own, so a couple of them go off to reach him and when they do, they'll find all the destruction he caused. They want to save him from himself but it's too late it seems, but prior to this a secret was revealed, one that Roy can't help but pay attention to. Remember when I mentioned that Jamie stumbled across something? You're about to find out.

Roy is beating Pro senseless when all of a sudden, he feels a gun to the back of his head. It's Cheshire. She was following him this whole time and wanted vengeance herself, but since Roy did the work, she decides to take her anger out on him, thinking that he's failed as a father. So Roy actually grabs the barrel and puts it to his own head, daring her to do it. When she hesitates, he attacks and now they're in a brutal fight. Eventually Roy becomes a wild man and gains the upper hand. He ends up with his hands around her neck, choking her and that's when everyone shows up and even tells him if he kills the woman he once loved and mother of his child, then he'd really would have crossed the line. He snaps out of it and let's her go. He drops to his knees then, realizing that even with everything that happened, he won't ever be over the loss of Lian, and that's when Jamie tells him what she found. Lian is alive!

*Roy turns and stares*

Roy: "Don't make those kinds of jokes with me!"

They assure him that it's no joke. Even show him a picture. Before he asks questions, he's on his feet and already leaving with them. Pro is taken in. On the ride to Lian's location, Roy remembers one more favor that he owes Prometheus. He pulls out a detonator and sets off an explosion that destroy's the base. His operation is ruined and it'll take a long time for him to rebuiled.

As it turns out, Lian was taken in by a couple, who have been searching for her parents. Poor girl was shaken up with the whole dissaster. When they get there, no words are said. Father and daughter run into each other's arms and embrace. Roy even allows Cheshire to have a moment with Lian. Cheshire would leave after, possibly having an epiphany, or maybe she doesn't change but decides to let Roy live for now. Either way, she's allowing the two their happiness.

Roy is reunited with his daughter and even gets the woman. Any follow ups? Well I planned for that. He retires for a while to reconnect with his daughter. He even gets married to our lady. Imagine a fun arc that involves a double date with Roy, his new wife, and Ollie and Dinah that turns into a team-up. Imagine Prometheus returning to tackle the JLA and when the chips are down, he finds himself plugged full of arrows as he spots a smirking Arsenal.

As for those curious about the suit, here it is. This was drawn by artist Mike Mayhew.

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Introduction

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:16:19 GMT

Hello everyone. Big Daddy D here. I never thought to make an account here as I usually roam around Scans_Daily. The people there often voiced opinions I already had so I never saw a point. Why did I make an account now? Well due to my nerd's rage at DC Comic's recent decision to kill off the beloved child character, Lian Harper, daughter of one of my favorite DC characters, Roy Harper. I felt a little inspired so that put me in a sharing mood. I came across the page of Merfilly, whose hosting the Lian Deserves Better Ficathon. I had my own ideas but rather than call them fanfics, even though they came from my own headcanon, I call them pitches. When you read them, you'll see why. These pitches are pretty much summarizations of story arcs and series. I had originally posted them on Merfilly's page, so now I'm reposting them on my own. To those asking why I didn't just post on my own page before, sue me. I'm new to this journal stuff people.

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